“Dawn: I think you should re-read the posts that you just quoated because the person clearly said that ONE of those things wouldn’t make her a baby mother.

It’s the combination of all those things. Their points were quite clear.”

Kate, I know what I read. If none of those things mean she is a bad parent, then all of them together do not make her a bad parent and I am tired of hearing insinuations otherwise.

Kate- I still don’t agree about the photos, but I respect your opinion, and I am willing to agree to disagree on that issue.

That said, I certainly don’t want to see Britney become another Anna Nicole either. I do, however, have to give Anna Nicole points for managing to be a pretty decent parent to Dannielyn (granted, Dannielyn was only 5 months old when she died, but still, at least she didn’t make the same parenting mistakes that Britney has).

Anyway, back to Britney. I hope that whatever happens will be what’s best for both her and the boys.

Dawn: I think you should re-read the posts that you just quoated because the person clearly said that ONE of those things wouldn’t make her a baby mother.

It’s the combination of all those things. Their points were quite clear.

“taking my 2 year old out to dinner at 10pm”

My parents did that with me occasionally when I was that age. Where they went, I went. Nothing wrong with that.

“flashing my vagina, partying in vegas til all hours, making out with strangers in hot tubs while topless and holding a drink, etc.”

Doesn’t make you a bad parent. None of those things have anything to do with her children who I would take it, were in bed at the time with a nanny.

“mmmmmm… I think I can safely safe that they wouldn’t see my vulva…

If I were being followed around all day, they sure as heck wouldn’t be getting shots of MY vagina.”

Going commando isn’t illegal, nor does it make you a bad parent. How about sharing your venom with the paps who obviously think that such shots are a-ok to take?

“NOT ME:
driving with my child on my lap…
smoking any where near her…
forward facing car seat before 1…
going clubbing every night…
dressing like a prostitute…in public
taking her out late at night for dinner…
and certainly not my vagina (which shes done several times)

I’m not saying that one of these thing happing makes her a bad mother,or denying that she loves them, but come on, all of them, repeatedly have to make you question her parenting skills…”

Make up your mind, either these things make her a bad mother or you are bringing up points that are moot when it comes to her parenting ability.

annoymous: I just went back and looked at the pictures you mentioned, and I don’t think Jayden looks happy in any of those pictures. I think he looks distressed. And Sean looks disoriented in every picture I’ve ever seen of him – except for the pictures that where taken when they were with their grandparents.

And I find it almost amusing that people are claiming that “it’s obvious from the pictures that the boys adore their mother” and that “it’s clear from the pictures that Britney loves those boys.” I don’t think it’s clear at all. I’m not saying they don’t love one another, just that it’s not possible to tell that from a picture. I think some Britney fans are just grasping at straws in order to try to defend Britney’s unacceptable behavior.

annoynmous: I don’t think anyone enjoys the thought of those children being taken from their mother, but Britney seems to be on a downward spiral and losing their mother temporarily (and having that scare her into getting the help she needs) would be much better for them in the long run then having them in her care as she continues to make her downward spiral. The first reason why it would be better is because two small children should not have to witness the kind of things that are going on in Britney’s life right now. And the other reason is that it might scare her into getting her life together so that she doesn’t end up another Anna Nicole Smith. If Britney continues with her erratic, unstable behavior she could end up doing serious damage to herself or her children and then they might end up being seperated permanently.

Also, losing custody is not the same as losing all parental rights. It’s quite likely that she would still be able to see her children, she just wouldn’t have primary physical custody. No one is advocating that she should be stripped of all parental rights, but just that Kevin should have sole custody until she gets her life together. And I think the fact that Kevin took the children to see their mother even when she was in rehab is proof that he will still let her see the children. This isn’t about enjoying seeing a mother lose her children. This is about hoping that a tragedy can be prevented. It might be sad for Britney and the boys to be separated for a little bit while she’s getting her life together, but it would be even more sad for something awful to happen to Britney and then they would be separated permanently.

Okay, I know I said I wasn’t going to comment on this post again…But I just re-read what I wrote…and frankly, some of my own words shocked me!

Like, for example, what I said about the carseat issue (“even though having your kids forward-facing in the car before they are 1 can get them injuried or killed, the parents that make those mistakes usually don’t get their kids’ taken away). It sounded like I was saying that it’s perfectly okay for parents to put their kids’ at risk.

To clarify, that is not what I think at all! I think safety is very important, and I hate seeing parents make car-seat mistakes. I was just trying to point out that most parents who make similar parenting mistakes to Britney’s don’t get their kids taken away….But I did it in an extremely bad way! I should have used a different example (such as putting juice in bottles, which in most cases isn’t going to kill or even injure a baby). I apologize for my choice of words!

Also, what I asked “How would YOU feel if you were Sean or Jayden and you were suddenly taken away from your mother?” I realize now that that’s kind of beside the point. The fact is, if Britney really is putting her boys in danger, their health and safety is much more important than how they might feel about having to be taken away from their mother.

The fact of the matter is, it makes me very sad to think of ANY mother having to lose (or even possibly having to lose, which is techincally what is currently the case with Brit) custody of her children. It makes me feel sad for both the mother and the children. I guess I just felt so bad about the fact that Brit might lose custody that I over-reacted quite a bit. What I truly want is whatever is best for the boys.

Kate- I’m sorry if I made it sound like I was putting words in people’s mouths. I wasn’t trying to. That is why I was careful to use wording such as: “It seems to me that….” As for my comment about Brit being trashed, I was simply stating my opinion, which I have as much right to do as you do.

That said, check out the picture of Jayden and Britney that was posted just today on CBB. Jayden certainly doesn’t look unkempt or miserable in it. He even seems to be smiling a bit! Also, if you look at his “Celebrating Celebrity Baby birthdays” post, most of the pictures show him smiling or at least seeming to be happy. I know I am not the only posters who has commented on some of these pictures saying that the boys seem to adore their mom!

Anyway, my point with the parenting mistakes is this: While things such as having your kids forward-facing before they are 1 can get them injured or killed, the parents who make those mistakes usually don’t get their kids taken away.

I also believe that Britney loves those boys, and I can’t see how she could delibrietly abuse them. That said, maybe, if she is abusing or negelecting them somehow, she just doesn’t realize how serious the situation is.

As for if she should lose custody, let me word my question another way: Do you really want those two beautiful boys to lose their mother? Face it, at their ages, kids need their mommies (that’s not to say that no mom should ever lose custody of her kids. I just don’t think that Britney should at this point)! Think about it, if you were Sean or Jayden, how would YOU feel if you were suddenly taken away from your mommy?

Personally, my hope for Britney is this….I hope she is allowed to keep at least SOME custody of the boys, even if the arrangment isn’t 50/50 like it is now. I also hope that she is able to get help so that she can KEEP her boys!

Anyway, this is the last comment I am going to make on this post. I am through arguing with you.

annoymous: I have not seen any person on this site acting like Britney is the first mother to have ever done these things. You are putting words in people’s mouths. What I have seen are a bunch of people who are worried for the safey and well-being of two small children who are being raised by a mother who has demonstrated a pattern of irresponsible parenting and unstable behavior.

And I can’t believe that you said the only mistakes you have seen pictures of right before making a list of things that are appallingly dangerous for children. Maybe you should go back and review that list before trying to defend her actions again, because if you look at that list objectively I don’t see how anyone could act like those things are okay. Several of those things could get a baby killed and a few others could create lifelong health problems. I can’t believe that anyone could excuse those actions.

And in response to your question do Sean and Jayden look neglected? Yes, they do. They look unkempt and miserable when they’re with Britney. I think I noticed the problem for sure when I saw a picture of the children with Britney’s parents and I saw how clean, content and happy they looked with their grandparents, I’ve never seen them look that way when they’re with their mother. But even if they did look happy when they were with her: Are you really naive enough to believe that all children who look like they’re okay really are? There’s a reason why child abuse and neglect is referred to as a hidden epidemic. Sadly enough there are too many people who, like you, assume that just because a child is raised by wealthy parents and just because everything “looks okay” on the oustide that it is.

And in response to your final comments about how some people want her to fail: How odd that you’re telling us we’re too quick to judge Britney and yet you’re judging other posters and accusing us of an incredibly harsh thing of wanting her to fail.

As for the second part about how you think we want her to loose her boys: Yes I do hope she loses custody, because I think that’s the only thing that will force her to get her act together. And I sincerly hope she gets a wake up call before she does irreperable harm to those children. Unfortunately at this point I think the only wake up call that could possible force her to get her act together is losing custody of her children. I would hate to see her end up like Anna Nicole Smith.

I forgot to mention this in my last post: Like I and a few other posters have stated, Britney is not the only parent who makes mistakes, and other parents have been known to do things such as having their kids forward-facing before they turn 1, offering their kids juice in a bottle or sippy cup, etc. I must ask….Should those parents have their children taken away, too?